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Monday, March 28, 2011

Are you a gold guru? (Discussion Question)

Semantics: Alright, I find the term "gold guru" very cheesy, I use gold maker because I find it more appropriate.  A guru, in my mind, carries a connotation of one who knows everything, has perfected an art, and spends their time teaching others.  I think anyone in this community will admit that they don't know everything, there's always more to learn.  Gold maker both is a plain explanation of what we do, as well as implies we're still working towards a goal, which I think most are.  So, yeah, gold maker is the term you'll usually see here on Nerf Faids.  But that's neither here nor there.

Though I didn't audibly participate I did attend the most recent JMTC Q&A Session on Friday.  I'll let y'all listen to it for yourself if you haven't already, but basically there was some drama between two regulars, Catharsis (who I can't seem to find a blog/contact for to link) and XanderEragon.  I won't take sides, but I will say that was the most interesting Q&A session I've listened to.  Finally broke up all that "lolshuffle moar" talk that I fully particpate in myself.

The comments on JMTC lit up with people "taking sides" and there was one part of one comment by an Anonymous commenter that interested me:

"Xander is clearly not a gold guru (what is it 50k liquid he has? ridiculous)"

Now, there was more to this comment but it's not relevant to what I want to talk about here. This post is not a commentary on anyone's actions during the meeting, I was just a very amused bystander.  What I want to know is:

What makes one a "gold guru?"

Am I a gold guru? Are you? What makes someone a gold guru?  Is it a person with an arbitrary amount of liquid gold? Is it someone who may not have a lot of liquid gold but has ten banks of pyrite ore?  Is it anyone who writes about gold-making on a blog even if they only have 6k?

I have a guild member who, at least at one point, has/had a lot of gold.  I'm not sure how much "a lot" is, I just know he was at the 214k cap before I even started in the 'biz.  He once told me that he doesn't try to make gold, he just plays as normal and it just sort of piles up.

My question is this:

If someone has very little liquid gold but has the know-how to make 30k in a day, are they a gold guru?

What if there's someone out there who has amassed 1 million gold through doing 25 dailies every day since Isle of Quel'Danas came out? They don't know how to use the auction house and can't tell you anything about a market or trends.  Try as they might they probably can't push more than 400g a day. But they have 1 million gold, don't forget! Are they a gold guru?

I've always felt that it's more about how you go about making your gold and what you know about gold-making that makes you a "gold guru," not how much you've managed to scrimp and save.

What do you feel makes one a gold-guru?  At what point will a new gold maker cross the threshold and become a guru?  Where's the Guru College?  If someone only has, say, 50k liquid why is their opinion any less valuable than someone with 1.8 million? 

Image credit: Printing Money

In closing, this isn't a Faidian Slip, that will be later!  But I did put up a random video worth a minor amount of mention:


  1. Hi faid !

    I maybe have a very subjective point of view on this matter, but I'll share it anyway.

    I live in eastern Europe and in my country, despite the true meaning of the word, the term guru has a very bad connotation in people's minds. That's because we had a yoga guru around here a while ago, that turned up he did some very bad things like scams, prostitution and so on. What I'm trying to say is that not in every culture, the term guru resonates the same way. Also the sarin gas tragedy that happened in the Tokio's subway a while ago, was also the makings of a guru.

    On a more personal note, whenever I see someone using the word to proclaim himself/herself guru of something, makes me sick to my stomach. Whether is religion, internet marketing, warcraft or else. I always imagine the guru, like a person preaching stuff for a bunch of acolytes or loyal followers, which will digest any kind of crap the guru throws at them.

    But that's just me. Cheers !

  2. @Archangel: That's really interesting, thanks so much for sharing that. It reminds me a bit of the term otaku, which a lot of people in America and perhaps other countries use to describe a near-obsessive interest, usually in anime or manga. However, it can have very negative connotations to some that most people don't even know of due to the crimes of Tsutomu Miyazaki.

    It's definitely true that different terms can carry all sorts of different connotations for different people, regions, and cultures.

  3. Having money and know how to get or make money is 2 different things. I would say that both people should be listened to and take away what you can from each.

  4. Unless it's defined and agreed upon, the term "gold guru" is very subjective. Ultimately there is no correct answer because of this, but I think people should be considered gold gurus if they are knowledgable at making gold in some fashion other than dailies.

    For example, one player might know how to make a lot of gold off a crafting profession, while another plays the AH, and yet another knows all the vendor recipes and items that he can pick up and sell on the AH for a profit. All three can be considered gold gurus in their own way. And as a marker of success, I'd say that depends not on their total gold but on whether or not they have enough gold to buy what they want, when they want, without worrying about the cost.

    Bottom line, IMO someone should be considered a gold guru if they: a) know how to make gold using some method other than dailies, and b) make enough gold to be able to afford what they want to buy at any given time.

    My 2 cents.

  5. @archangel. I agree - I think it is the "self-proclamation" that really rubs people the wrong way. If you set out to become a guru, you will likely never get there. I think there is an element of giving back and selflessness associated with being a "guru" which is impossible to gift upon oneself. If you need to proclaim it yourself, it is likely because nobody else was willing to...

  6. Faid,

    Just for reference, I don't believe Catharsis has a blog/twitter. I haven't heard him mention it b4, just that he is from Grizzly Hills server...

  7. Love the post.

    It was a fun read, and after rewriting this comment for the last hour, I decided on a short and sweet...

    To answer your question, "Are you a Gold Guru?"

    My answer: I think so. Kinda. Maybe. Not really. Possibly. Sure. Yes. No. I try to be? Yeah. That's my best answer. I am sticking with that one. =)

  8. Here is the problem with anyone calling themselves a gold guru. It is all server dependant.

    I could have the best plan for my server. This plan might be the stupidest plan for your server. This i think is the problem. What could be very good advice for one person is very stupid advice for someone else.

    Calling yourself a gold guru or a gold blogger is just a term. What I hope everyone does is brings your ideas/successes/failures to the table and allow everyone else to learn from them.


  9. I believe it's the "how" that matters, and the "why" as well.

    If one has worked out a sophisticated way to earn tons of gold AND understands the theory behind it AND is sacrifing a whole lot of their time to pass that knowledge WITHOUT any covered intentions of making money (e.g., selling guides)... well, THEN we could start thinking about calling him "guru", though I'm not even sure whether it can be applied here.

    Sadly, by this definition, most people are only partly a "gold guru". Especially those that tend to market themselved as such are not exactly what I would consider a "guru", for reasons "Archangel" stated in the very first comment to this post.

  10. I think the ultimate factor in whether or not someone is a gold guru is their motivation; are they making gold solely for the purpose of say, buying raid quality gear, or are they actively accumulating wealth simply for the love of amassing a fortune? In my mind, only the latter can be called a gold guru.

  11. Anyone can make gold, and alot of it.. but to be a guru you have to take that next step in the process and be willing to share your knowledge with others on how they too can make gold, all the while you still maintain your gold making adventures despite any of the competition you created for yourself.

    Myself, I am spent most of LK teaching one person or another every secret I had to making piles of gold right down to configuring their mods for them. Of the 12 or 13 souls I attempted to teach, only 1 remains in the market.. And sadly, both of us missed Glyphmas (sigh), due the hate $#!#ing of ICC draining our souls and wills to live.

    I have amassed a piddly 750k mainly and amazingly through glyphs (post glyphmas) on a relatively bad alliance pop server...

    Here's to the next 250

  12. That little comment "calling out" Xander for *only* having 50k struck me quite hard. Since when did gold making become a pissing contest? I always loved the fact that there was such a huge community devoted to talking about making gold and teaching other how to do the same, and that the community seemed largely free of prejudice. Completely different from the normal e-peen contest of the majority of WoW, where if your arena rating / gear score / raid kills is below XX you're a "bad." The last thing I want to see is people comparing "worth" by how much gold they have.

    At the level we play at, our liquid gold really is just a measure of time investment, not so much of skill or ability. I don't feel like I have amassed significantly greater knowledge of the AH ingoing from 100k to 600k. My gain mainly reflects the time I've spent, both in the actual playing of the AH and in raising new profs with which to make and sell stuff. I certainly don't know all there is to know about playing the AH, but I feel that what I have left to learn is mainly refinement of the process. Once you get the basics down, anyone can make a million. When you reach that is simply dictated by the time you're willing to put toward that goal.

    So I think I'm a bit off topic... The tl;dr is that your net worth as a gold maker is less a testament to your skill than it is a testament to the time you've put in. To segue to the main topic, I think the mark of a "gold guru" is knowledge of how to make gold and a willingness to pass that knowledge on. I did not know of the negative connotations "guru" apparently holds for some, I always assumed it was a person of knowledge who has selflessly devoted themselves to passing that knowledge along. So in that regards, anyone who is a gold blogger can call themselves a guru, as with anyone else who has or does try to help others learn how to make gold!

    P.s. I think the reason we use "gold guru" is for alliterative purposes. It just sound more pleasant than "gold maker."

  13. While I am guilty of doing this once I don't plan on continuing. The following quote from the book 140 Characters by Dom Sagolla really hit home with me.

    "Do not proclaim yourself a leader, or an "expert." Only others can call you such things."

    If anyone wants to call me a guru that is fine with me. In reality I'm just a gold-maker like you Faid.


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